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    Default Puff has a "skin tag" on her eye lid

    A couple years ago, our vet at K-State's CollVetMed noticed that Puff (age y/m 5-6) had a small bump on her lower left eyelid, about 1/4" from the outer corner. It was tiny, no bigger than a pinhead, and I had to look carefully to see it.

    It didn't seem to grow at all for over a year but recently it's grown more and is now about 1/4" long, maybe 1/8" wide, and flat, a little thicker than the usual 3" X 5" note card. Puff is a yellow with dark brown "mascara" rimmed eyes so the "skin tag" is the same color. At first it looks like an out-of-place booger.

    I called KSU's CVM and talked with an opthamologist. She detailed a variety of procedures -- scalpel surgery, laser surgery, CO? freezing, etc.

    They'll have to evaluate Puff's condition in the flesh to be able to give options and recommendations. From my description, she thought it was more likely that a mast cell tumor was NOT present and that the growth was benign -- BUT with the caveat that was only from my description and not based on their evaluation. I gathered that this is a not uncommon condition.

    I made an appointment for April 4th. Unless they can handle it with sedation and immediate removal, Puff will have to spend the night and have the surgery the next morning.

    Anyone else have something like this?
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
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    Hi Bob,
    Huckle had something like that. It appeared as a funny "skin tag" on his lower lid. The vet was actually surprised that I had even noticed it. When she examined him she noticed that when she pulled his eyelid down there was some strange swelling. She thought at first it was an allergy induced infection of sorts and prescribed from antibiotic drops. This was in September. It did not seem to make any difference.

    In October it got worse...the inner swelling had gotten bigger and now was pushing the eyelid out from the eye. I scheduled a visit with an eye specialist(actually I went to 3 different eye specialists...call me crazy but I wanted only the best and with Huckle being 12 years old I was VERY worried about putting him under for surgery) Anyway they diagnosed it as a Meibomian gland tumor...the skin tag was the tumor pushing a tiny branch threw his eyelid. I was told that it is often benign and usually very slow growing. Since the "tumor" reached across 3/4 of his lower lid the surgery would be involved so he recommended just watching and waiting. He said it might not get any bigger.

    Fast forward to December. All the sudden it grew very quickly. I could not get an appointment for surgery for a couple of weeks. Each day I could see it getting bigger. It even started to bleed. I was so thankful to finally get it removed.

    The vet did a tremendous job. He had to removed the entire lower lid and reconstruct it. Below are the before and after photos. After it healed it was almost impossible to tell he had the surgery.

    Will keep my fingers crossed that Puff just has a skin tag. Try pulling Puff's eyelid back and see if there is anything there. Will look for your update.

    Check out this link for more info on this tumor.

    http://www.oncolink.org/types/articl...ss=807&id=9522

    Before surgery


    After surgery


    All healed up



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    Default Re: Puff has a "skin tag" on her eye lid

    My 6yo chocolate lab, Bear had a skin tag in the outer corner of his eye. When I say skin tag, I mean the same as you would get on your own body.

    I talked to my vet about it and he suggested that since it was not large enough to interfer with his line of sight we should take no action, just watch it. My vet felt the removal would be more invasive than necessary. I trusted his judgement and he was right in this case.

    Soon after my visit with the vet, the tag was gone. The best I can gather, Bear rubbed his face against something and he removed it himself. More than likely, it happened when he was rubbing his face on our deck - this is a strange habit he has?

    Now, about a year or more later, he has another small tag growing in the same spot. I will hope for the same fate for this skin tag - self removal.

    Best of luck with Puff's tag - I hope it is easily taken care of.

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    Default Re: Puff has a "skin tag" on her eye lid

    That looks painful, never seen that before what causes it?
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    Default Re: Puff has a "skin tag" on her eye lid

    Its pretty common. Labs tend to get these as they get older. We had one of Boomer's removed since when it grew it rubbed the eye. About a year later it came back though. These things do tend to come back. Shanny has a small one that hasn't needed to be removed yet.
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    Hi Labby (waves from the other side of the state )

    It's Jaime, Preston's Mom.

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    Default Re: Puff has a "skin tag" on her eye lid

    Bob Oona has one on the top of her lid that is just coming in. As long as its not interfering with her vision I'm going to leave it alone. She had another one on her muzzle for a couple of years and it fell off.
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    Olie said:
    Oona ....had another one on her muzzle for a couple of years and it fell off.
    Olie, Puff had a few on her lips when she was about 8-14 months age (somewhere in that age range). I read in Giffin & Carlson's "Dog Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook" that these sometimes occur inside the mouth, on the lips, muzzle, and mostly to dogs less than 2 years old. They're caused by a virus and when the dog's immune system matures, they usually disappear. Puff's did -- I think they lasted for about 2-3 months.

    Hark67 said:
    Try pulling Puff's eyelid back and see if there is anything there. Will look for your update.
    Thanks VERY much for the info, the link, and the pix of Huckle. I was especially relieved to read in the helpful article in that link: "The vast majority of Meibomian gland tumors are benign. Carcinomas are uncommon."

    I've tried a couple times to do as you suggest but I'd need the arms of the Hindu god Siva to do that by myself ;D Maybe I can get someone to help me at LabFest tomorrow. Puff fights like the very dickens at that sort of examination and 2 hands just aren't enough. However, I don't see any bulge that might indicate a lump on the inside so, if there is one, it's small so far. From the article's description, it appears to be exophytic (extending outward).

    If we can examine it tomorrow, I'll post some feedback. One of our usual members is a vet who works in marketing at Science Diet and maybe he still has some clinical examination skills.

    My previous (1967-81) Lab, Bess, was a sweetie and never objected to any kind of hands on exam of her mouth, ears, eyes, paws, etc. Not so with Puff -- Puff never barks, growls, or snaps, but MAN! does she ever struggle to get away, especially with treating or examining her eyes. When she was a young pup and had eye weeps and boogers once and I had to apply an ointment to her eye several times a day, I had to wrap her in a bath towel like a straight jacket to do it. She's bigger and stronger now and more than I can handle when she resists so strongly.
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    Default Re: Puff has a "skin tag" on her eye lid

    Hi Bob -
    Islo had one on the inside of his lower eyelid. It was removed surgically (his eye didn't look nearly as bad as Huckle's, but the growth was big - like a small peanut). I took hime home a couple of hours after surgery - biopsy was negative for cancer. I only had to make sure he didn't rub his eye - stitches were internal.

    The G. had one of those growths on his lower lip - it also was surgically removed (stupid decision, but considering the individual, the vets felt it would be best).

    Sending good thoughts your way.

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    Thanks, Paola --

    Paola, Casey's Mom, and I spent maybe 6 months researching the claims of Battaglia that putting neonatal puppies (right after birth) through certain handling, touching, sensory experiences would make them even better -- SUPER dogs.

    Battaglia (an AKC governing officer and breeder of GSDs) claimed his recommendations were based on an Army program.

    We found NO evidence for that.

    MY supposition is that Battaglia may have talked with Michael Fox, DVM, who was -- for a brief time -- a Vet consultant to THAT Army project and later, for many years, to the HSUSA (Humane Society of the USA).

    I've read about 10-15 of Fox's articles and books.

    As best I can tell, Fox's beliefs of the positive effects of the very early stimulation of neonatal pups was based on reading USSR's experiments of putting extremely young children in centrifuges.

    NO significant benefits came out of those.

    Despite that, he recommended a similar protocol for Lab puppies.

    Such protocols -- despite Fox's and Battaglia's reports of positive results -- were NEVER implemented in the Army Lab breeding program.

    Paola, Lynn/Casey's Mom, and I contacted, phoned, or had e-mail correspondence with maybe 30-50 of the original particpants in the Army program, including the commanding officer, the second in command, plus a DVM who is now the head vet at "Seeing Eye" in NJ, Dr. Fox, and an expert (Steven -----) I don't at this moment remember his name (but he's published 3 volumes on dogs and the treatment/therapy of dogs).

    Paola, would you please post the link to our summary in your website?
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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