So....why don't you post the study about the uselessness of MSM that you are referencing?
Or am I supposed to take "because I said so and my vet said so" as proof of it's uselessness?
When Erns was 5 the vets said there was a type of sugery to help. Can't remeber what it is called. Something about taking nerves from the joint to stop the pain. Is this the surgery you are talking about. It wasn't a long term fix and can't remeber why we decided not to do it.
Each dog is different so need to treat case by case. We do not run with Erns, let him jump or spin around, no long walks or hikes and 30 mins no more walks every day. The idea is to build up the mussle to take the weiht off the joint so he swim as much as he can. The best thing for Erns has been keeping him on the thinner side, and swimming. Being very careful with him, and adequan injections every month have helped. He has green lip mussle and glucosamine, but these don't appear to help. I forgot to buy it then away so he went a month without it and no difference at all. So didn't give for several more months.
Also, it is made from the garbage of the paper industry, with sulfuric acid.
You are a very caring person I can tell. I am just trying to give you the facts.
If those two were mine I would use something with a high level of Perna.
Perna canaliculus (Green-lipped Mussel) for Pets
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Small-scale studies of possible treatments with MSM have been conducted on both animals and humans. These studies of MSM have suggested some benefits, particularly for treatment of osteoarthritis
Funny, here is something on MSM from the very same site you posted the Perna link from.
"MSM is a natural sulfur-containing compound produced by kelp in the ocean. Sulfur is stored in almost every cell in the body. The highest concentrations are found in joints, hair, skin, and nails. MSM is claimed to be an antioxidant, cell rejuvenator, and joint healer.
MSM is reported to enhance the structural integrity of connective tissue, and help reduce scar tissue by altering cross-linkages which contribute to scar formation. MSM has been promoted as having powerful anti-inflammatory and pain reducing properties, blocking the pain perception in certain nerve fibers before the pain impulse reaches the brain."
The Use of Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) in Dogs & Cats
So, if you choose to believe what they have written about Perna, then you have to believe what they write about MSM, no?
I love my dogs more than you know...and I do what I believe is best for them.
You are knowledgeable and full of info...I'm sure I could learn from you, just quit being so abrasive-not everything has to be a battle. You need to realize that we are all experts on our dogs and what works. Stop trying to change everyone's mind on everything and telling us what to do with our dogs. Offer your advice-if we take it, great. If we choose not to, don't take it personal and move on. You can't force people to do what YOU want with OUR dogs.
Give us the info and let us make our own decision about what is best for OUR dogs.
Quote from the link.
Perna canaliculus, or green-lipped mussel, is an edible shellfish found off the shores of New Zealand. It has been commercially available as a food supplement in the United States since 1975. Perna mussel, was for centuries, a major part of the diet in local populations of New Zealand. The reported incidence of arthritic and rheumatic disorders was extremely low among coastal New Zealanders compared to those living inland.
Most of N.Z is coastal. Doesn't matter how many we eat, or where we live, anyone can get arthritis.Maybe the people in the studies were also eating Puha.
We love the income from our exports, but studies done here have so far proven it isn't a cure all that many companies advertise it to be. Every time someone clains it cures cancer or other diseases stocks are depleted in a few hours.
I am not saying it isn't a great thing, it is and like many other things can help, but to say it is the only thing or advertise it as something it has never been proven to be correct. It is natural, had no side effects unless a shell fish allergy so there is no harm in taking it.
Is it the cure all it is sometimes claimed to be?
Perna has been studied extensively for years and years. Real, peer-reviewed work. MSM has not, so there is nothing for me to post.
Improvement of Arthritic Signs in Dogs Fed Green-Lipped Mussel (Perna canaliculus)
Clinical efficacy and tolerance of an extract of g... [N Z Vet J. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
Green-lipped Mussel (Perna canaliculus) safely helps dogs with arthritis
I am not suggesting a dog with arthritis will start tap dancing, but as far supplements go it is the most effective and the most studied.
Here is a piece from QuackWatch on MSM:
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Hershey123 how old was your dog when you gave it Perna, and how long did you give it ? I wonder if the length of time makes a difference and works well at first and not so after a couple of years.
Also the degree of arthritis or joint issue. Was yours the knee or hip?
No supplement can turn back the clock or reverse an injury, but we do the best we can, so I hear you on the fact that efficacy will decline over time. Perna did help my mother's CKCS rather quickly with just generalized pain and stiffness.
Last edited by Hershey123; 03-18-2012 at 08:53 AM.