colour question??

**imported_josephine** · 03-31-2006, 12:38 PM

Please tell me if it is possible to get black labs, if you
breed two yellow labs? A while back I read that from yellow labs, you can get only yellow. (and I only mean the coat colour, not what they are carrying).

**jzgrlduff** · 03-31-2006, 12:44 PM

That's a bit of an odd question. May I ask why you're asking?
Just curious

**Tatyana** · 03-31-2006, 12:45 PM

According to this chart: http://www.vetgen.com/color.html you cannot get black Labs from breeding two yellows.

**labby** · 03-31-2006, 01:03 PM

you basically can't. there have been maybe 2 in history that we know about (2 yellows producing black). generally if there is a black in a litter of 2 yellows, the akc will throw out the registration until dna is done on both parents and all the pups in the litter.

**imported_josephine** · 03-31-2006, 01:04 PM

tatiana -
that is what I knew too. that you can't get blacks from yellows.

I am asking because a friend just got a litter of all blacks from two yellows. and the dogs were mated artificial.
A day before this breeding with the yellow male, he wanted to breed her
with a black male, but the dog coud not mount the female, and could not *be "collected" and they did not mated!
The rest of the time he says that the bitch had no contact with another dog.
the bitches grandmother was black.
what is your theory? this are the facts that I know. could the black be the father, in just 30 seconds in wich he tried to mount her.

**labby** · 03-31-2006, 01:06 PM

the black is the father, no question. i'd be on the phone to that stud owner and doing some bitching!!!

**jzgrlduff** · 03-31-2006, 01:08 PM

could the black be the father, in just 30 seconds in wich he tried to mount her.

Absolutely!!

**imported_josephine** · 03-31-2006, 01:14 PM

thank you for your replys.
the owner of the bitch I think is happy that he got the breeding wich he intended originally. But I am surprised that she could get pregnant. He sais that the dogs did not get "tied" or "stuck", "connected" or what do you say. He said the dog was trying to mount her, and there may have been a *penetration but they did not stayed "connected".

**labby** · 03-31-2006, 01:16 PM

they don't need a full tie. its obvious the yellow dog didn't have a full litter of blacks. its genetically impossible. in the litters where 2 yellows had blacks, ONE puppy in the litter was black in each case. not the whole litter.

the stud owner needs to face the fact that the black dog is the father and not try and say the yellow dog is. especially when filling out any litter registration forms.