The depression and anorexia sounds to me like HOD, classic.
Take his temperature. And reduce the protein in his food.
I don't play with limping puppies, that's very serious business.. Immediately he should see a vet.
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I am not sure how early hip displaysia is diagnosed as Erns was 3.5 when I adopted him. He was over weight as a pup and when I got him had H.D. Being over weight was a contributing factor. This doesn't mean you dog will have it. If you are worried follow the rules for protecting his hips until 18 months.
Each dog is different, but to give you an idea. Erns is and Tessa are standard size labs and their ideal weight is around 30 kgs. Erns will often go down to 26 which the vets like, but bit too thin for me.
Your dog is adorable.
Again, thank you all for the responses.
I'm not sure if we have lymes here or not Jen, but next time we visit the vet I will be sure to ask.
To update you all on his progress... He had his first dose of anti inflammatories on Wednesday night, when I got home last night he was with my partner & was so excited. His gorgeous happy personality is back!! Unfortunately he was so excited he started moving around lots & rolling over on his back for belly rubs etc, obviously trying to calm him down at the same time. He still has his slight limp in the front leg. Now that he is back to himself though, we are faced with the challenge of trying to keep him in rest.
The bad breath is also gone & he is eating again.. a minimalised amount, although he spent yesterday evening lying on the floor in the kitchen just hoping & waiting for something to be dropped, lol (no chance buddy!) We're going to look at different foods this weekend.
I have my fingers crossed that with lots of rest & the anti inflammatories he will be okay!
Labby - The breath could definitely peel paint off walls! He had lost a tooth on Sunday.
Kassabella - Thankyou for the insight on HD I am praying that it isn't that at such a young age. We are definitely decreasing his weight. His father is a very large dog (approx 40-45kgs) & Wallace was the biggest of the litter & has always been atleast 2-3 kgs heavier than the rest of the 13 in the litter. So we have never really expected him to be small, being our first lab it's all an experience... there is so much to learn. They're such beautiful dogs, I want him to have the happiest & best life possible. Your dogs are also very adorable!!
So.. Time for an update on Mr Wallace... what a whirlwind 6 months it has been! We have had a trip to the vet atleast once per month, with Wallace being desexed and having a limp in a different leg each time. He has not lost his appetite with the limps though, but does become very sulky and sad (We hate seeing him this way).
For the first few times I was taking him to a normal vet, each time being given anti-inflammatories which would clear the limp within a week. But usually within 3-4 weeks after healing he would come up lame again (it doesn't help that after being rested for the time of the limp, he then would go hypo with crazy runs around the yard etc). Wallace seems to have an extremely high pain tolerance when the vet manipulates areas trying to establish where he is in pain & very rarely will make a noise or flinch to show them where he hurts. The vet recommended we see a surgeon as she believed he had hip & elbow dysplasia with the pain in all the legs at different times & the fact that these joints felt 'loose'. We spoke to the breeder in regards to the hip/elbow dysplasia & they recommended that we speak to their vet as both of his parents had great hip & elbow scores. We spoke to the new vet who advised that we get xrays done and then take him to see her, she practices naturopathy. Since going to this new vet, we have also changed Wallace over to a raw diet - best thing ever! His weight is under control. He definitely has a big build for his age & with this diet he is at 30kgs.
We had the xrays done and took Wallace to see her. After paying a fortune to have him put under anesthetic & the xrays done with the previous vet, it was disappointing to find that they were of very poor quality.. His knees were not straightened so it naturally showed that one hip was displaced. The new vet examined him thoroughly. From some exercises that she tried with him, she does believe that he has slight dysplasia in his hips, we discussed options for dealing with this and have decided for now to continue with accupuncture and chinese medicines, which works well. But from that visit, his issue was a knot in his muscle between his knee and hip, which was treated with Ruta Grav & Arnica drops and Calc Fluor drops with Traumeel tablet & gel, which cleared it well. The next visit was a limp in his front leg & ended up being a torn ligament in his ACL. This was treated with Traumeel tablets & Traumeel gel. He has also had a knot in his muscle between his knee and hip.
He was then good for atleast a whole month - it was wonderful!! We took him to the beach every weekend, he loved swimming out in the surf with us! But just recently came up with a limp in his right front leg which a limp in his right back leg also followed, the vet believes he suffers from pano (His dad suffered from this also). The front leg was a knot above his elbow and a strain in his paw which has healed but he is still limping on the back leg which the vet believes is a lesion in his psaos muscle?
His coat has also dulled down lots, he is quite light brown, especially really light brown on his ears... the vet believes this is a blood deficiency.. so he is now on some chinese herbs - I can't quite remember the name of them.
We also give him kelp and turmeric in his food...
Has anyone ever been through similar situations with their lovely lab?! Any feedback would be wonderful. I just want our boy to feel happy and healthy... hate seeing him in discomfort.
Personally I think you need to see an board certified orthopedic vet and ditch this naturopath. Anyone who prescribes gels and tablets for an ACL tear is nuts.
When you rest a puppy who has an injury it needs to be for weeks - not one week but several weeks of restricted activity. If you rest for one week, see improvement and then (when the puppy is normally active again) you get a reinjury - that should be a clue that you did not rest long enough. I would restrict this puppy for 6 weeks and get him on a normal quality canine diet.
If he has pano that does explain the pain. If a vet suspected HD or ED, he should not have been neutered this young.
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Bad breath and teething go hand in hand, and also when they are losing teeth they do cut back on their food some. So that's pretty normal.
I haven't read all the posts but it seems like you went to the vet and DID NOT get an xray? Is that correct? I believe the only effective way to tell if a pup has Pano is with an xray. But I might be mistaken.
An ACL tear in a front leg?
ACLs are in the knees, not elbows.
Whoever this is that you took your pup to sounds like a quack.
Take him to a board certified ortho for a correct diagnosis.
If I'm not mistaken, HD cannot be diagnosed by doing a few exercises or manipulation of the hips. X-rays, preferably taken by an ortho vet, are the only way to diagnose HD or ED.
A drawer test will diagnose an ACL tear, which incidentally, cannot be "cured" by taking Traumeel.
Given his size and the shifting lameness, I would suspect that most, if not all, of his issues are due to pano, which can be diagnosed through x-rays.
Seems like alot of stuff (raw, gels, pills, etc) are being used on a very young pup with no definitive diagnosis by a qualified ortho vet.
Oy vey, I read #24. My head is spinning. What happened to that poor puppy? The breeder must be livid about the haphazzard care and diagnosis.
Thanks for ur responses.
We realise now that we shouldn't have had Wallace desexed, but at the time when we had him done we were not aware that having him desexed would effect his growth - again, the previous vet we were seeing told us that if we weren't planning on breeding then its best to Desex at 6 months.
I will speak to our vet about him seeing an ortho specialist as she has mentioned options in the past. She is not useless. I may have got the acl muscle terminology wrong with all of the different stuff I have had to learn over the last 8 months, being parents to a dog for the first time. She is worried for Wallace as a young pup with as it seems, so many issues.
I see that you may not agree with the raw diet, gels & natural remedies but we feel that as such a young pup, if he needs to be on meds then we would prefer to try natural first before pumping him with harmful chemicals. Obviously if once going to the ortho vet & the verdict depicts that surgery/drugs are necessary then we will have to look at it.
Luvsbrown, yes he is a poor puppy & we hate seeing him this way. I am not sure what you mean by haphazard care? He is ridiculously spoilt with love & affection. We are trying our hardest to do the right thing for him, with all of the different advice given by multiple sources it makes it extremely difficult to make the right decision by everyone. The breeder recommended this vet.
I am off to see the vet tomorrow & will discuss seeing an ortho vet.